Doctor Denis Rancourt, from PANDA, examines COVID-19 with Dr Peter Breggin discussing the multiple measures being used during the pandemic, from wearing masks to washing our hands. They evaluate the counting of deaths and the testing for cases. Dr. Rancourt approaches these questions as an experienced scientist with a very broad general interest in the world and its affairs. They have one strong disagreement, but open science is about respecting and allowing unexpected opinions. A thoughtful, informed conversation.